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this is part of the story of the 2012 election and maybe the never several elections. sam wang had an accurate forecasting model. he sent us a cartoon rather than a chart. he weighed in on the attacks being launched as people like us who are using data to talk about the election. it says quote, breaking, to surprise a sun dit the best system for determining which of two things is wiser. we posted these charts and a bunch of others. i'll tweet a link to them. that does it for tonight. and now it is time for the last word. have a good night. >> the house of representatives. has known for over a year that it has a monday night deadline for avoiding the fiscal cliff. so when are they going to start working on that? sunday night. >> stalemate gridlock joorks this is what the holidays look like. >> there is so much manure around here. >> this isn't school house rock. >> the fiscal cliff. whatever. >> there is barely 00 hours. >> the last minute was before christmas. >> what is going on here? is. >> how come there is no sense of urgency. >> the entire house coming back sunday
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then he's going to have to go back to his caucus and say re-elect me as speaker. how does he do that? >> i think it's two separate questions, richard. on the first point he's going to have a difficult time to corral votes. if the president bring his 250 plan to the house floor, you're not going to see many republicans go after it. but at the same time i think boehner is pretty safe when it comes to his speakership. if gentlemen were making noise against the speaker, there would be huge trouble. i think boehner's pretty safe because there's not a challenger. >> sam, if boehner's safe in his job, it doesn't mean to say he's at all relevant here. he's just not a factor at this point, is that right? >> i think it's right but it's because boehner expressed he couldn't get his plan throw the court. i can only imagine how angry mcconnell and his staff are because they put him in a bind. all the while mitch mcconnell's got an eye on 2014 when he's up for re-election but the house speaker has shown he's largely ineffectual when it comes to this stuff. but i see what he's s
then he's going to have to go back to his caucus and say re-elect me as speaker. how does he do that? >> i think it's two separate questions, richard. on the first point he's going to have a difficult time to corral votes. if the president bring his 250 plan to the house floor, you're not going to see many republicans go after it. but at the same time i think boehner is pretty safe when it comes to his speakership. if gentlemen were making noise against the speaker, there would be huge...
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the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them. >> the president seemed to be much more comfortable in the white house briefing room today using the bully pulpit saying enough is enough. >> he did. i thought that he sounded like a man who knows he holds, if not all of the cards, but a lot of them. he has the advantage here, and the polls indicate as with bill clinton in the showdown with newt gingrich and the shutdown of the '90s the public blames the republicans when this happens when over on the house side, you have so many republicans who are so far right and worried about somebody farther right running against them in primaries that john boehner is having a hard time to get them to agree to his packages like plan b out here. we don't know how much out here in the public things have changed since last week, but it seemed like president obama was saying something that he was planning to say if it came down to the last few days. >> joy, is this the same kind of negotiation we saw in the first term? >> well, richard, one of the things that you didn
the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them. >> the president seemed to be much more comfortable in the white house briefing room today using the bully pulpit saying enough is enough. >> he did. i thought that he sounded like a man who knows he holds, if not all of the cards, but a lot of them. he has the advantage here, and the polls indicate as with bill clinton in the showdown with newt gingrich and the shutdown of the '90s the public...
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and i think the 2012 election shows i. we have this remnant, these tea party people who held onto 2012. by the i want, the democrats made gains for the house and i'm talking about the extremists who used to have a more reasonable approachment and it was because of the congressional merriment. we have bad luck. the best republican year happened to be 2010, which was the year that the governors and the legislatures elected did congressional redistricting. they said the democrats would is picked up more seats, maybe six more. we wouldn't have controlled the house, but it would have been a significant increase. i think the american public has made it clear that they do not agree with the republican right wing. they don't want social security and medicare to be taken about. they're not hung up on other people's private lives and emotional lives and they're supporting the people with the same sex right to marry. now on gun control, they're on the wrong side. so i am optimistic that we are going to see the elections of 2012. i th
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which if that were to happen, what would the country think of our elected officials? but i want to ask that in a broad sense. you've followed politics for a long time. when you look at this from the outside and you're an average american, basically the media is saying, congress, if they don't do anything now, might as well pass something on january 3rd but in actuality they could pass today. do you think people are understanding how absurd it is? >> no. the american people understand how absurd this is. we've been seeing poll after poll after poll showing the american people, if the country goes over the cliff, would is to blame? the republicans get the majority of the blame. speaker boehner and his plan b could not even get the republicans in his caucus to pass a tax increase on people making $1 million when we already know through november election and through subsequent public opinion polls, the american people are perfectly fine with raising taxes on people earning incomes of $250,000 and above. so the idea that the republican party can't -- i mean, i should say s
which if that were to happen, what would the country think of our elected officials? but i want to ask that in a broad sense. you've followed politics for a long time. when you look at this from the outside and you're an average american, basically the media is saying, congress, if they don't do anything now, might as well pass something on january 3rd but in actuality they could pass today. do you think people are understanding how absurd it is? >> no. the american people understand how...
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you don't get elected and say elected without being someone who is smart, gifted and savvy. and put them against scott brown there and it will be an ain'ting race. that is saying who knows who else could jump into the race. >> i think the key to the point is you is to go with scott brown's middle name and that is mitch mcconnell. and the idea that you are going to cut social service during this recession, at the end of the day i don't think you can vote for him as a leader. >> before we go, do you think there is a chance that scott brown won't run? >> he is waiting in the wings if scott brown doesn't run? >> he ran for governor of new york and more power to him if he he can pull it off but national republicans and the money thinks he has the best shot. >> thank you both for joining me tonight. coming up, our final update or the year. on the kind fund. i'll read some of the comments that you have left about it. in the rewrite tonight i can understand why the guys in the vatican are so wrong about marriage. so if it fair that we expect them to understand the first think about
you don't get elected and say elected without being someone who is smart, gifted and savvy. and put them against scott brown there and it will be an ain'ting race. that is saying who knows who else could jump into the race. >> i think the key to the point is you is to go with scott brown's middle name and that is mitch mcconnell. and the idea that you are going to cut social service during this recession, at the end of the day i don't think you can vote for him as a leader. >>...
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could have changed the presidential election, significant way. and especially, when you look at the way that john roberts was the deciding vote, the swing vote to uphold the health care law. that is a significant, important thing that will have lasting impacts on politics and policy for years to come. >> thank you, edward, for your time today. >>> today's tweet of the day, people, you don't need to go shopping today. relax. make the most of a day at home. i love 'em even more. i earn 1% cash back everywhere, every time. 2% on groceries. 3% on gas. automatically. no hoops to jump through. that's 1% back on... [ toy robot sounds ] 2% on pumpkin pie. and apple. 3% back on 4 trips to the airport. it's as easy as... -[ man ] 1... -[ woman ] 2... [ woman ] 3. [ male announcer ] the bankamericard cash rewards card. apply online or at a bank of america near you. stop! stop! stop! come back here! humans -- we are beautifully imperfect creatures living in an imperfect world. that's why liberty mutual insurance has your back with great ideas like our option
could have changed the presidential election, significant way. and especially, when you look at the way that john roberts was the deciding vote, the swing vote to uphold the health care law. that is a significant, important thing that will have lasting impacts on politics and policy for years to come. >> thank you, edward, for your time today. >>> today's tweet of the day, people, you don't need to go shopping today. relax. make the most of a day at home. i love 'em even more. i...
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i wrote about this two days after the election. what the president has done is take a battlefield victory and pursued the enemy in the woods and routed them. the advisers know that john boehner could not, cannot, would not pass a bill in the house of representatives to raise tax rates. john boehner came out the day after the election and tried to preempt that. he knew it was coming and trying to raise revenues closing loopholes. we won't raise tax rates, however. the president has compromised. he's gone from 250 to 400. he's changed some other things. he put the social security benefit reductions on the table. the so-called chain cpi and they knew all along -- i don't know if this was third intention or overt thinking but they're very smart people and no wriggle room, no flexibility for john boehner and pressing him, the party was going to explode ear and parentally that's what's happening in the house of representatives. >> peter, my friend chris krueger had a fun if not me l melancholy quote saying we expect obama will reveal a n
i wrote about this two days after the election. what the president has done is take a battlefield victory and pursued the enemy in the woods and routed them. the advisers know that john boehner could not, cannot, would not pass a bill in the house of representatives to raise tax rates. john boehner came out the day after the election and tried to preempt that. he knew it was coming and trying to raise revenues closing loopholes. we won't raise tax rates, however. the president has compromised....
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>> i would. >> and safer politically for an election in a general election given the fact people normally want to switch parties every eight years. you don't want to run as a xerox of obama. your thoughts. >> i do think she's to the right on foreign policy. i think what's going to be really interesting is seeing where she is economically. she's been very savvy about using economic statecraft to advance foreign policy goals for the u.s. it will be interesting to see what she brings to the economic debate because i think that's still going to be a debate in the next election. jobs. how to grow, how to get the country back on track. it will be really interesting to see where it comes off. >> i have you as a feminist, everybody is a feminist right now. it's a good position to be in politically. do you think she will have an unusually high draw among women voters? and that's maybe a dumb question, but could she get up to 65% or 70% of the women voters as opposed to 55%. >> that would be a high number. if anybody can do it, she can. i see her having tremendous strength there, and that's a demog
>> i would. >> and safer politically for an election in a general election given the fact people normally want to switch parties every eight years. you don't want to run as a xerox of obama. your thoughts. >> i do think she's to the right on foreign policy. i think what's going to be really interesting is seeing where she is economically. she's been very savvy about using economic statecraft to advance foreign policy goals for the u.s. it will be interesting to see what she...
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democrats won the election. but what's weird is at the elite level and the elite level matters in politics. the elite level gets through to politicians in between elections. at the elite level you've got folks in the media, powerful ceos, people who run interest folks, and a lot of these folks, they want to keep up relations on both sides of the aisle, and so they find it safer to blame both sides for not coming together than to blame one side for not allowing any coming together. >> the battle over how to avoid going over the fiscal cliff ramped up today as both sides were long on rhetoric and threats but short on actual movement. >> i think both sides deserve some blame here. >> chris, i'm not certain there's not politics on both sides. >> again, i thinks there's intransigence on both sides. >> with all respect it seems like both sides seem to be we're waiting for them, we're waiting for, this we're waiting for, that but the fact is nothing ever gets done. >> blaming both sides instead of pointing fingers when
democrats won the election. but what's weird is at the elite level and the elite level matters in politics. the elite level gets through to politicians in between elections. at the elite level you've got folks in the media, powerful ceos, people who run interest folks, and a lot of these folks, they want to keep up relations on both sides of the aisle, and so they find it safer to blame both sides for not coming together than to blame one side for not allowing any coming together. >> the...
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>> he did call it an act of terror. >> it's our turn now. >> president obama has been re-elected for a second term. >> i just called president obama to congratulate him on his victory. >> blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. all right, so? >> good times. let's get right to our panel. toure is co-host of "the cycle" here on msnbc and jimmy williams is an msnbc contributor. come on, guys, when you see that, don't you just get nostalgic for the campaign. it's the talk of the 47%, free stuff, and the latest from tagg romney that apparently his dad never really wanted the job anyway, right? >> the clown car is so stuffed what mall aproposeisms and other stuff. we didn't know rick perry forgetting to name some -- and newt gingrich's press release and any number of comments from him. >> but there's more. let's take a look at what i'm going to call the most monumental piece of found that didn't make it into that montage. >> there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. there are 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims.
>> he did call it an act of terror. >> it's our turn now. >> president obama has been re-elected for a second term. >> i just called president obama to congratulate him on his victory. >> blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. all right, so? >> good times. let's get right to our panel. toure is co-host of "the cycle" here on msnbc and jimmy williams is an msnbc contributor. come on, guys, when you see that, don't you just get nostalgic for the campaign. it's...
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do you think there is any worry that he may not be elected speaker on the first ballot come that election at the beginning of the year? >> there is no worry. he had the complete support of everybody for plan b and has the support for speakership for most of the members that were opposed. this was a debate and discussion and not over his leadership. honestly not for two years, but for four. >> four more years for john boehner. we appreciate it. >> thanks. >> house democrats have spent the past two years on the sidelines of major policy decisions. if a fiscal cliff vote happened before january 1st, you could have a major influence on the nation's economic future. democratic congressman john yarmouth served and a lonely planet and ranked the number one city in america. thank you very much for joining us. >> thank, luke. come any time. >> i will ask you, are you surprised that you are in washington, d.c. today or you are not in washington, d.c. today and do you have plans on traveling back? >> i'm very surprise and no, i'm not going to come back unless there is a reason to. we have a big bask
do you think there is any worry that he may not be elected speaker on the first ballot come that election at the beginning of the year? >> there is no worry. he had the complete support of everybody for plan b and has the support for speakership for most of the members that were opposed. this was a debate and discussion and not over his leadership. honestly not for two years, but for four. >> four more years for john boehner. we appreciate it. >> thanks. >> house...
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he's going to get re-elected house speaker and not have the authority to do the job he's been given. john boehner is in an impossible situation. i guess no one else wants the job. but that suggests that house republicans, as a force, even though they're the majority, are not a factor in these critical discussions facing the count try and the federal government at this time. again, that's a bad strategy, a bad place for them to be in, when they just won re-election. >> do you have a good sense, richard, of how many republicans or maybe democrats for that matter, aren't so worried about going over the fiscal cliff at this point? >> i don't actually buy this argument that people are happy going over the fiscal cliff. they can see how damaging it is politically. they also are looking forward to the next fight about the debt ceiling, which is going to be even more damaging. so they always say it's the other guy who wants to go over the fiscal cliff. i don't hear people going out and saying i think it's a good idea that everyone pays more taxes or there are these deep spending cuts. they'r
he's going to get re-elected house speaker and not have the authority to do the job he's been given. john boehner is in an impossible situation. i guess no one else wants the job. but that suggests that house republicans, as a force, even though they're the majority, are not a factor in these critical discussions facing the count try and the federal government at this time. again, that's a bad strategy, a bad place for them to be in, when they just won re-election. >> do you have a good...
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up next, the election is over. now it's time for president obama to get things done and he has less time than you might think. strategizing a second term. let's talk the future. this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> there's been a lot of talk about gun laws since the shootings in newtown, connecticut, one result seems to be increased support four tougher gun laws. 58% of americans polled say they want to see stricter gun laws as opposed to 34% who wants things kept the way they are. compare that to a year ago when only 43% wanted to see stricter laws. it's worth remembering, however, that support for tougher laws often spikes and then fades after mass shootings. of course, the nra always stands in the way of any new or reviewed restrictions, but, of course, we all know that. and we'll be right back. that support for tougher laws that support for tougher laws [ male announcer ] imagine facing the day with less chronic osteoarthritis pain. imagine living your life with less chronic low back pain. imagine yo
up next, the election is over. now it's time for president obama to get things done and he has less time than you might think. strategizing a second term. let's talk the future. this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> there's been a lot of talk about gun laws since the shootings in newtown, connecticut, one result seems to be increased support four tougher gun laws. 58% of americans polled say they want to see stricter gun laws as opposed to 34% who wants things kept...
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mitch mcconnell, up for re-election. will he craft a deal with harry reid? that's dicey. whatever bill is passed, may not be that popular. raising tax rates and probably cut back on benefits so, remains to be seen if they can get 60 in the senate and 218 in the house. but boehner may have to put that senate pass bill of the 250,000 obama plan, he says that doesn't have the votes topaz the house. he may have to prove that. >> real quickly i want to shift gears here and talk about chuck hagel and the potential of him being put up to the cabinet level position of secretary of defense. and getting criticism from the left and the right, chuck schumer declining to endorse him yesterday on meet the press. i want to play for everybody what andrea mitchell also said on "meet the press." >> this white house cannot continue to float trial balloons and then not have them shot down. the president can't perceived to being rolled by opponents. the problem of chuck hagel with support in the foreign policy community is shot at from the left and the right. >> i want to put it to you, both.
mitch mcconnell, up for re-election. will he craft a deal with harry reid? that's dicey. whatever bill is passed, may not be that popular. raising tax rates and probably cut back on benefits so, remains to be seen if they can get 60 in the senate and 218 in the house. but boehner may have to put that senate pass bill of the 250,000 obama plan, he says that doesn't have the votes topaz the house. he may have to prove that. >> real quickly i want to shift gears here and talk about chuck...
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but let's understand, we just had an election, and the president got re-elected for the second time. which says that a majority of the american people are not swayed nor influenced by that sort of sick and sadistic thinking. what i prefer to focus on is not simply that, but the underlying disparities, the previous segment on violence, and the need for jobs for young men of color and people of all colors, in urban communities. which is, i think, the more appropriate thing for us to discuss when we talk about how to address that. he's got a right to be a damned fool. >> well, damned fool, he is, indeed. reverend marcia dyson, you were a maven of social media. social media has provided wonderful outlets for people to articulate their views, but it's obviously showed to america the true colors of what some people think and bigots with megaphones, so to speak. so when the president interrupted sunday night football to speak in newtown, connecticut, twitter went crazy and interrupted with all kinds of racial slurs. how do we as a society confront this sort of behavior? >> well, you know, i
but let's understand, we just had an election, and the president got re-elected for the second time. which says that a majority of the american people are not swayed nor influenced by that sort of sick and sadistic thinking. what i prefer to focus on is not simply that, but the underlying disparities, the previous segment on violence, and the need for jobs for young men of color and people of all colors, in urban communities. which is, i think, the more appropriate thing for us to discuss when...
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the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them. it needs to stop. >> only if. kristen welker at the white house. good morning to you. a lot happening in d.c. a lot happening on capitol hill i assume, a lot happening at the white house as well. >> it sure is, good morning, it j. all eyes on the senate right now. minority leader mitch mcconnell and majority leader harry reid try to cobble together a last minute deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. this on the heels of the meeting that happened at the white house. and top congressional leaders met for about an hour. source who's have knowledge say the president laid out two options for lawmakers, one, either come up with a plan that can pass through both chambers to avoid that deadline or allow his pro poisal to go up for a vote in both chambers. under his plan, bush-era tax cuts would be extended for those making $240,000 or less and rates for top income earners. something that a lot of republicans do like and it would call for extending unemployment insurance benefits and a number of oth
the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them. it needs to stop. >> only if. kristen welker at the white house. good morning to you. a lot happening in d.c. a lot happening on capitol hill i assume, a lot happening at the white house as well. >> it sure is, good morning, it j. all eyes on the senate right now. minority leader mitch mcconnell and majority leader harry reid try to cobble together a last minute deal to avoid the fiscal cliff....
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the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them. and needs to stop. >> i just have to repeat, congress, you are terrible at your jobs. i really don't like working with you. we're going to talk a bit later in the show about everybody hates congress and what we can do about that. but as much as the public hates congress, you really get the feeling that congress' approval rating among president obama is in the neighborhood of negative 75,000 percent. and yes, numbers geeks, not a real number. but he seems really tired of working with these people. but there is a way in which congress, and particularly congressional republicans may actually be helping president obama out right now. everybody's always known two things about the cliff. you're almost certainly going to get more taxes in a deal after you go over than in a deal before you go over it. that's because after you go over the cliff, taxes already go up for everybody. so anything you do, any reasonable deal congress reaches, it will be a big tax cut. but the other thing about the f
the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them. and needs to stop. >> i just have to repeat, congress, you are terrible at your jobs. i really don't like working with you. we're going to talk a bit later in the show about everybody hates congress and what we can do about that. but as much as the public hates congress, you really get the feeling that congress' approval rating among president obama is in the neighborhood of negative 75,000 percent....
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obama was elected with a surplus of about 3 million votes. he won the election, he campaigned on this issue. again, the speaker can't take yes for an answer. the president has presented to him something that would prevent us from going over the cliff. it was in response to something the speaker gave to the president himself, but, again i guess with the dysfunctional republican caucus in the house, even the speaker can't tell what they're going to do because he backed off of even his own proposal. mr. president, the house, we hear this so often, is controlled by the republicans, and we acknowledge that. i would be most happy to move forward on something that senator mcconnell said they wouldn't filibuster over here that they would support and boehner would support it if it were reasonable, but right now we haven't heard anything. i don't know, and it's none of my business, i guess, although i am very curious, if the speaker and the majority leader, the republican leader over here are even talking. what's going on here? mr. president, you can't
obama was elected with a surplus of about 3 million votes. he won the election, he campaigned on this issue. again, the speaker can't take yes for an answer. the president has presented to him something that would prevent us from going over the cliff. it was in response to something the speaker gave to the president himself, but, again i guess with the dysfunctional republican caucus in the house, even the speaker can't tell what they're going to do because he backed off of even his own...
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tell them we're strong, the white house, we were re-elected. you go home. you go home and deal with it because this is out of control and nobody's angry enough to realize it. >> you're angry enough. >> i'm alone. >> no, you're not. >> michael shear's not angry. he's measured and i understand that and we're playing different roles sometimes but if you're a reporter and following this and following this for a year or two, some point you have to say this is insanity and the threat to the economy is not a reasonable way to govern. >> mike, how -- again, not to oversimplify this thing, but how did we get here? i think most folks following this fairly closely assumed that as is the case with a lot of things in washington, d.c. that at the 11th hour withere will ba deal that gets done. there are a lot of folks involved in the deal making saying, it won't happen this time. >> well, look. i think ari is right in one real respect which is they set this up, you know, more than a year ago as a way of trying to provide counter pressure to the political pressures that ex
tell them we're strong, the white house, we were re-elected. you go home. you go home and deal with it because this is out of control and nobody's angry enough to realize it. >> you're angry enough. >> i'm alone. >> no, you're not. >> michael shear's not angry. he's measured and i understand that and we're playing different roles sometimes but if you're a reporter and following this and following this for a year or two, some point you have to say this is insanity and the...
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i won, these are the consequences of an election. so, he has not been operating in a deal-making mode, even though he stands before the cameras occasionally and says it. i think he has a better chance to work a deal through the stnt and back it in -- through the senate and back it in through the house. >> where have the republicans bent? they have not bent at all, the president has bent, he has reduced the amount of revenue he is asking for. he he want to cut taxes for small businesses and individuals. he has bent on medicare. so that is not accurate to describe it that way. the president has been there all along. >> we will have to leave it there. thank you so much. i enjoyed you guys with us. we usually like to have a few ladies with us, but that is okay. >> happy new year. >> to you as well. join us tomorrow, i will host the live coverage of a possible plan, a possible plan, to prevent the squauld fiscal cliff, i will have several lawmakers to talk about what is going on. and don't forget, a interview with the president on "meet t
i won, these are the consequences of an election. so, he has not been operating in a deal-making mode, even though he stands before the cameras occasionally and says it. i think he has a better chance to work a deal through the stnt and back it in -- through the senate and back it in through the house. >> where have the republicans bent? they have not bent at all, the president has bent, he has reduced the amount of revenue he is asking for. he he want to cut taxes for small businesses...
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and now many insiders are saying the tea party is losing steam because of obama's re-election. the "new york times" made the front page with "clout diminished, tea party turns to narrower issues." and "the washington post" reports tea party stays on the sidelines as obamas, republicans in congress tackle fiscal cliff. the most visible former elected official in the tea party and, of course, chairman of freedom works tried to oust several freedom works officials this fall. in fact, according to the post, army thieves control momentarily of the group. and he brought a gun carrying aide to remove rivals within the organization. but within a week, army was out. freedom works arranged an $8 million pay page for him. $8 million. that is more than the organization's entire annual budget in some years. over in the house, several tea party allies were recently stripped of their committee assignments by speaker boehner. so there are some problems there at the top. an influential conservative is lashing out. >> the tea party is going of to look at itself. it's been so helpful to the repub
and now many insiders are saying the tea party is losing steam because of obama's re-election. the "new york times" made the front page with "clout diminished, tea party turns to narrower issues." and "the washington post" reports tea party stays on the sidelines as obamas, republicans in congress tackle fiscal cliff. the most visible former elected official in the tea party and, of course, chairman of freedom works tried to oust several freedom works officials...
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problem when it comes to being re-elected speaker. as a politician you start dealing with re-election you're dealing with some very serious emotional problems. and i just hope that as we go home, we've been home for the holidays, we listen to the religious leaders, the people that are really dependent on social security and health care, if we listen to the people who put us in office and those who supported the president, we should be rational in coming back to the table and trying to hold on to this much credibility if we have any left at all and get this job done. >> there it is. rational and perhaps even rational exuberance like the market. congressman charlie rangel, thank you so much, my friend. >> thank you, doctor. >>> now let's turn to msnbc political analyst richard wolff, vice president and executive editor of msnbc.com. my friend, there's more movement today than we've seen in a while, but is this just the optics? are they really trying to save face literally or is there something substantive in the offing here? >> more mov
problem when it comes to being re-elected speaker. as a politician you start dealing with re-election you're dealing with some very serious emotional problems. and i just hope that as we go home, we've been home for the holidays, we listen to the religious leaders, the people that are really dependent on social security and health care, if we listen to the people who put us in office and those who supported the president, we should be rational in coming back to the table and trying to hold on...
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that's what happens every election. if there had been a great groundswell of effort that we have to raise taxes, we have to implement this huge liberal big spending agenda john boehner would be minority leader and nancy pelosi would be speaker of the house again. >> if the tea party were in charge and you had your druthers, what would it be to get us over the fiscal cliff? >> first thing i would do is start going through the budget looking for places we can cut. >> every year the accountability office comes out with a report details hundreds of billions in waste, fraud and duplicated services. let's start cutting first. let's make the government do what american citizens have to do when things get bad. we have to tighten our belts. why doesn't the government have to do the same thing? that would be the first thing to do. i'm willing to bet we could get enough cuts in there that we could get us down to a balanced budget within a fairly short time. >>> judson phillips, great to have you on this morning, sir. thanks for yo
that's what happens every election. if there had been a great groundswell of effort that we have to raise taxes, we have to implement this huge liberal big spending agenda john boehner would be minority leader and nancy pelosi would be speaker of the house again. >> if the tea party were in charge and you had your druthers, what would it be to get us over the fiscal cliff? >> first thing i would do is start going through the budget looking for places we can cut. >> every year...
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>> listen, anybody who is a member of congress was elected and sent there. that means that they reflect the voters and they have to work together to come up with a compromise. when i think the platform that paul has it's an amazing platform in "the new york times" where he could be doing is laying out all sorts of proposals for how to fix the short-term problems of jobs and the economy which he focuses on and the long-term problems of the debt and he takes shot at people like me because i'm a political independent. instead of saying -- let me just finish. instead of pointing fingers and instead of pointing fingers, i really think we need to have republicans and democrats work together and compromise on this. we all agree with that, maya mcginnis. i think it is worth noting that the gop has 115 times, 115 times the republican minority has held up a bill's passage or they've threatened to filibuster. 115 times, that is unprecedented, is it not? >> so you're talking about filibusters. you're talking about the way that washington is actually not able to get anyt
>> listen, anybody who is a member of congress was elected and sent there. that means that they reflect the voters and they have to work together to come up with a compromise. when i think the platform that paul has it's an amazing platform in "the new york times" where he could be doing is laying out all sorts of proposals for how to fix the short-term problems of jobs and the economy which he focuses on and the long-term problems of the debt and he takes shot at people like me...
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how much is he going to agree with the president when he has the election in 2014? some folks don't want to appear in any way too close to president obama right now. >> let's move on in terms of massachusetts. we got the information that ted kennedy jr. will not run. scott brown doing well in all the polls. president obama will be fully engaminged in pass pass. how is that looking? they don't have a big horse to run. >> the polls show a good chance of scott brown being able to at least have the even money to win back a senate seat in massachusetts. when you talk to the democrats, they say look, the way that scott brown was able to win in 2010 were under very special circumstances. huh a democratic candidate who was not running a good campaign. the democrats were caught unaware and very surprised. you had that very tough debate on health care. you have the vacancy and democrats say you won't have all the situations at the end. they might be able to beat scott brown in a special contest. >> always tough. you think they can pull it off. lastly it was about chuck hegel,
how much is he going to agree with the president when he has the election in 2014? some folks don't want to appear in any way too close to president obama right now. >> let's move on in terms of massachusetts. we got the information that ted kennedy jr. will not run. scott brown doing well in all the polls. president obama will be fully engaminged in pass pass. how is that looking? they don't have a big horse to run. >> the polls show a good chance of scott brown being able to at...
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if nothing happens, he may have to worry about the election, john boehner. what i would advise him to do, he doesn't seek my advice, let me give you some advice. be what you want to be. do what you have to do. and democrats will support you if you do that. >> do you think at this point there's even enough time to get a deal done? realist achally. >> absolutely. there is time. now, i know we went out of session today and won't be in session technically until monday. that can change over the weekend. through emergency. so what happens to saturday and sunday? i mean, we all rather be with our families and friends but the fact is america needs this done right now. you know what's disappointed me most of all, craig? talking heads, many of them on television and some members of my own party saying, well, it won't be as bad. we'll take it up in the new congress. i think that's the wrong philosophy. things aren't going to be any better now. these characters on the other side are not going to change their mind between now and january the 3rd. and they want a pound of
if nothing happens, he may have to worry about the election, john boehner. what i would advise him to do, he doesn't seek my advice, let me give you some advice. be what you want to be. do what you have to do. and democrats will support you if you do that. >> do you think at this point there's even enough time to get a deal done? realist achally. >> absolutely. there is time. now, i know we went out of session today and won't be in session technically until monday. that can change...
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outcome of the 2012 election and the myriad of voter suppression schemes years in the making, voters refused to be ignored, dismissed, or disenfranchised. voters proved that individual americans still have the power when we choose to use it. the more accurate reflection of the america in the 21st century, the key question becomes in 2013 whether or not this coalition will find ways to work together to lefage that electoral power for policies on immigration reform, gun control, equal rights, economic inequality and continuing to expand the american story. so what matters most is what happens next because it's up to us to make sure that the power we loan to politicians is used for the greatest good, and it's up to us to make them earn our votes and hold them accountable when they falter. thanks to the bashir team. the "hardball" team picks things up right now. >>> deal or no deal. let's play "hardball." ♪ >>> good evening. i'm richard wolffe in for chris matthews. big numbers get thrown around at times like this in washington. as the legendary everett dirksen once said, a billion her
outcome of the 2012 election and the myriad of voter suppression schemes years in the making, voters refused to be ignored, dismissed, or disenfranchised. voters proved that individual americans still have the power when we choose to use it. the more accurate reflection of the america in the 21st century, the key question becomes in 2013 whether or not this coalition will find ways to work together to lefage that electoral power for policies on immigration reform, gun control, equal rights,...
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i mean, we lost the election. elections have consequences. we're not going to get everything we want. but we need to focus on the real issue of our debt and deficit. instead of focusing on the power of who's in charge in the republican party and the democratic party and who's winning of the two parties? >> let me ask you, you're focusing on the deficit here. if we do nothing with if there's no deal in the next few days, and we do nothing in the first few weeks and there's no patch in the first few weeks of the new year the deficit problem basically solves itself, doesn't it? >> well, i mean, we're not -- we have over $1 trillion deficit every year. over a trillion dollars. it's not sustainable. >> but doesn't -- i'm saying, if we -- all of these issues, with all the bush tax cuts going away, the sequester, payroll tax expiring, the estate tax, if we do all the stuff that the fiscal cliff or the fiscal curb, whatever you call it does, the deficit problem is solved? >> no. i have no idea what the specific number is but i know we're over $16 tri
i mean, we lost the election. elections have consequences. we're not going to get everything we want. but we need to focus on the real issue of our debt and deficit. instead of focusing on the power of who's in charge in the republican party and the democratic party and who's winning of the two parties? >> let me ask you, you're focusing on the deficit here. if we do nothing with if there's no deal in the next few days, and we do nothing in the first few weeks and there's no patch in the...
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will president obama leave hawaii behind the day after christmas if a deal is in the works and the election hangover. new comments from one of mitt romney's sons that you might describe as puzzling. what do they really mean? and the gun battle rages on. new reports on why nothing may get done even after the sandy hook tragedy. >>> a massive tax hike and spending cuts -- republicans and democrats continue to point fingers in opposite directions, hinting that talks could go into the new year. >> are we going over the cliff? >> i believe we are, and i think the president is eager to go over the cliff for political purposes. he senses a victory at the bottom of the cliff. >> we only have nine days left here. when are we going to get serious about actual solutions? i would welcome john to tell me. he says he wants a solution. give us one, john. >> meanwhile, president obama is spending christmas in hawaii where he and the first lady attended the holiday memorial service for the late u.s. senator from daniel inouye. >> white house correspondent kristen welker. kristen, obviously they always say t
will president obama leave hawaii behind the day after christmas if a deal is in the works and the election hangover. new comments from one of mitt romney's sons that you might describe as puzzling. what do they really mean? and the gun battle rages on. new reports on why nothing may get done even after the sandy hook tragedy. >>> a massive tax hike and spending cuts -- republicans and democrats continue to point fingers in opposite directions, hinting that talks could go into the new...
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the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them. >> joy, is this is same kind of negotiator we saw in the first term? >> i'll tell you, richard. one of the things you notice that the president didn't do was offer any new plan. i think he's laying this debacle squarely at the feet of congress. and the president, i think, helped himself by previously making some offers that even his base was uncomfortable with. it's clear to everyone watching that he's been reasonable to try to make offers. i think he's expressing plopperly the frustration of the american people. >> it's almost like the white house is stepping out. i think we have some sound from mitch mcconnell talking about the next steps. let's see if we can run that out. >> we had a good meeting at the white house. we are engaged in discussions, if majority leader, myself and the white house in the hopes that we can come forward as early as sunday and have a recommendation. that i can make to my conference and the majority leader can make to his conference. >> i'm going to do everything that i ca
the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them. >> joy, is this is same kind of negotiator we saw in the first term? >> i'll tell you, richard. one of the things you notice that the president didn't do was offer any new plan. i think he's laying this debacle squarely at the feet of congress. and the president, i think, helped himself by previously making some offers that even his base was uncomfortable with. it's clear to everyone watching...
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you don't have to worry about re-electi re-election. many members of congress are doing what they believe their home districts want them to do. this is about self-preservation and getting reelected. are you in any different position? do you think they can look at this differently? >> i think you are in a lame duck session. it's a different dynamic. you have members that have lost and retired. yes, it's different in a lame duck than it would be before an election. this would be catastrophic for the country if we allowed it to happen. we have to have a deal in 36 hours. the people are committed regardless to doing the right thing for the country. it's what's most important. >> this is the way you wanted to go out with this mess? >> well, we could have handled it better. we are in this position because we mishandled it in the first place. we are where we are. i'm hopeful we will be able to do that in the next day and a half. >> good luck up there. we'll check in plenty throughout the day. good luck. >> happy new year. >> 20 minutes past th
you don't have to worry about re-electi re-election. many members of congress are doing what they believe their home districts want them to do. this is about self-preservation and getting reelected. are you in any different position? do you think they can look at this differently? >> i think you are in a lame duck session. it's a different dynamic. you have members that have lost and retired. yes, it's different in a lame duck than it would be before an election. this would be...
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>> it sounds like the president does, after all, he's the won the election. the polls show that the american people for the most part favor some sort of tax increase for the wealthy, but quite frankly the losers are just about everybody. certainly those who are in the position to need unemployment insurance, federal workers, those who are beholden to the government, that type of thing, and i think that also the political system in the united states is a loser. i really do believe that the polls bear this out, that people are really getting disgusted with all the players in this game, and they want to see it stopped. >> let bring in paul cain, congressional correspondent for the "washington post." you know, to what bob was just saying americans are shaking their heads at all of this, just watching this blame game and wondering where are we going with this. >> you know, melissa, the other night mark begich, freshman senator from alaska when he was walking out friday night, he called it political schizophrenia. he said it's just -- he's getting whiplash back and
>> it sounds like the president does, after all, he's the won the election. the polls show that the american people for the most part favor some sort of tax increase for the wealthy, but quite frankly the losers are just about everybody. certainly those who are in the position to need unemployment insurance, federal workers, those who are beholden to the government, that type of thing, and i think that also the political system in the united states is a loser. i really do believe that the...
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the reason i brought it up is twitter being what it is, representative-elect told them, just got elected, 32-year-old combat veteran what has not taken her seat yet got an endorsement from cal penn to be the person selected to take senator inouye's seat. >> she can be an answer to a trivia question. who is a representative-elect and never served a day in office and became senator. that's incredible. some day. jonathan, thank you so much. we appreciate that. that does it for this edition of andr"andrea mitchell reports." my colleague has a look at what's next on "news nation." what do you have, my friend. it never gets old. we miss you here. >> we miss being in d.c. happy holidays. in a few hours, president obama will be leaving highway high early. he will be heading back to the fiscal cliff gridlock in d.c. house speaker john boehner has not called members back to the house in d.c. yet. just days ago he looked to avoid a fiscal cliff. will a deal get done? a newspaper under heavy criticism now for publishing the names of local gun permit legal local gun permit holders online. details on
the reason i brought it up is twitter being what it is, representative-elect told them, just got elected, 32-year-old combat veteran what has not taken her seat yet got an endorsement from cal penn to be the person selected to take senator inouye's seat. >> she can be an answer to a trivia question. who is a representative-elect and never served a day in office and became senator. that's incredible. some day. jonathan, thank you so much. we appreciate that. that does it for this edition...
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have someone on the right come after him because he was in favor of a tax hike and john boehner's re-election as speaker of the house. and that would come across as a vote of no confidence. very embarrassing and they don't expect it happening and there's a lot at stake for mitch mcconnell and john boehner personally. great point you brought up. >> if the senate fails to come up with something, does the president have the votes? >> reporter: if harry reid got this through the senate, i.e., that he got all democrats onboard for the 250 or below and he was able to pick up retiring republicans and maybe he gets olympia snowe from maine, scott brown and folks like that and get to the 60 threshold and break the filibuster and if he was able to do that and it went to the house floor, there's no doubt it would pass and probably get enough republicans at the end of the day. the question is a, would he be able to break the filibuster in the senate, we don't know if that would happen. would boehner put it on the house floor and he said from day one, any plan he would like to see the majority and the rep
have someone on the right come after him because he was in favor of a tax hike and john boehner's re-election as speaker of the house. and that would come across as a vote of no confidence. very embarrassing and they don't expect it happening and there's a lot at stake for mitch mcconnell and john boehner personally. great point you brought up. >> if the senate fails to come up with something, does the president have the votes? >> reporter: if harry reid got this through the senate,...
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he has to get re-elect on january 3rd. there's little he can do between now and then. >> that shouldn't be a consideration considering what's happening to the rest of the country. set us inhere. let's listen with susan to what some of the gop is saying right now. >> everything is just about scoring political points. and i know that the american people are tired of that. they're tired of all of us. i understand that. we just make used car salesmen look good. that's the only group that is below us. >> so because we have lacked the courage to face up, to deal with these issues, we here in washington are going to hurt the american economy. we're going to hurt americans at every level. >> that's pretty rough there, susan. used susan. used car salesmen, she used that reference. people should be angry and why should they not? they should be angry. they should also be angry at their elected officials. democrats and republicans because the fact is that no matter what happens right now, no one has put a long-term goal on the table.
he has to get re-elect on january 3rd. there's little he can do between now and then. >> that shouldn't be a consideration considering what's happening to the rest of the country. set us inhere. let's listen with susan to what some of the gop is saying right now. >> everything is just about scoring political points. and i know that the american people are tired of that. they're tired of all of us. i understand that. we just make used car salesmen look good. that's the only group...
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this issue was discussed, debated and decided in the november election. and so i know senator mcconnell might want vice president biden to work with him on this issue but it's the president who was selected by the american people to move forward on his agenda. so regardless of what senator mcconnell wants we need to come up with a solution to this issue. >> politico reports his new toughness is rooted in the nature of his convincing november win. so either of you who feels like starting, does the president deserve any blame for the collapse of negotiations or is it expected given that he did win the election? >> he did win the election but has to take some sort of blame, as well. if you look at the great negotiations between presidents and speakers, even bill clinton and newt gingrich. they were coming together on a regular basis. they had a personal relationship. if ronald reagan had the upper hand saying mr. speaker i need you on this, what do i need to do for you to get a win? let's start there. obama says i don't have to negotiate with anybody. i won.
this issue was discussed, debated and decided in the november election. and so i know senator mcconnell might want vice president biden to work with him on this issue but it's the president who was selected by the american people to move forward on his agenda. so regardless of what senator mcconnell wants we need to come up with a solution to this issue. >> politico reports his new toughness is rooted in the nature of his convincing november win. so either of you who feels like starting,...
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there will be a new election for speaker of the house, presumably john boehner will be re-elected. there will be a different house of representatives. however, still a republican majority but a small er majorit. boehner has a newly affirmed position and perhaps the dynamic is a bit different. but, you know, then again maybe it will be the same as it's been the last couple of years. >> richard, you know what i think bothers some people bothers me. it's that there is a small segment it seems of the republican caucus in the house of representatives who were unable to accept the results of the election in 2008 and steamed to continue to be unable to accept the results of the election in 2012. thus, they feel they have a license to hold the country hostage because they don't agree with two presidential elections, which is truly, truly if you think about it enough, which i choose not to, is rather bothersome. >> it's bothersome, and it doesn't fit their own agenda. in addition to object structure things they want to keep taxes down for most americans. it's not just about the tea party re
there will be a new election for speaker of the house, presumably john boehner will be re-elected. there will be a different house of representatives. however, still a republican majority but a small er majorit. boehner has a newly affirmed position and perhaps the dynamic is a bit different. but, you know, then again maybe it will be the same as it's been the last couple of years. >> richard, you know what i think bothers some people bothers me. it's that there is a small segment it...
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the president won the election. doesn't he have a point there? >> i actually think he does, but apparently his tone is really infuriating to republicans. and you have to realize that we are -- we're witnessing the implosion of the republican party. they're getting cornered into being the party of millionaires and assault weapons. they're not responding to the broad public. they're responding to interest groups, the nra and its allies, and grover norquist and his pledge. and they haven't figured out how to move away from that. and the failure of the so-called fiscal b plan last week demonstrates that speaker boehner really can't produce a plan that will pass with a majority of republicans. and unless he's willing to allow democrats to play in the house -- and the house is a virtual dictatorship. if he doesn't want to bring up a bill, it stays stalled. so now the focus is shifting to the senate and we'll see if mitch mcconnell and harry reid, two back-room kind of legislators, can cobble something together. i think there's still hope. >> yeah. andy
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, you begin running for re-election immediately. >> yes. and not only that, in the senate, the key thing here is that mitch mcconnell needs to be a player because john boehner has kept tized him to do this, he's up for re-election in 2014. he has to consider that prospect as well. >> depply doug. >>> coming up, kurt andersen will be here. also, "new york times" columnist frank bruni and nbc white house correspondent, chuck todd. also, the lives they live. this sunday's "new york times" magazine profiles the memorable people and in some cases places that we lost in 2012. john kelly joins us for a look back at those who passed. >>> up next, mike allen with the "politico playbook." first is dylan drier tracking the winter storm. >> this storm is a big one. it affected the whole eastern third of the country for several days right through that all-important holiday for travelers. that certainly did wreak havoc on the airports. we ended up with more than a foot of snow in some areas, especially back into ohio, pennsylvania and new york state. gra
, you begin running for re-election immediately. >> yes. and not only that, in the senate, the key thing here is that mitch mcconnell needs to be a player because john boehner has kept tized him to do this, he's up for re-election in 2014. he has to consider that prospect as well. >> depply doug. >>> coming up, kurt andersen will be here. also, "new york times" columnist frank bruni and nbc white house correspondent, chuck todd. also, the lives they live. this...